Scouring of the Shire as a TV movie

[Del March]

After re-reading this chapter, I think the material is best suited to be a TV
movie. Remember how Lucas made a couple of bad Ewok movies for TV, and how
they fit into continuity? The same could be done for the scouring.

Frankly, I find the whole episode as expendible as Tom Bombadil, and I think it
was a wise choice pacing-wise to ditch it from the movie. But if money were no
object, it would be possible to create the whole wad as a TV movie, and not
contradict anything in the film. It would be far more viable than trying to
make another theatrical film.

[Aris Katsaris]

Post by Del March
After re-reading this chapter, I think the material is best suited to be a TV
movie. Remember how Lucas made a couple of bad Ewok movies for TV, and how
they fit into continuity? The same could be done for the scouring.

No, it couldn't.

The point of the Scouring is that it comes not as an unconnected episode,
but as the near-finale of the whole drama, after a heavy tone of foreshadowing,
starting from Gildor's warning that the hobbits can't keep the outside world
out of the Shire for ever, to Elrond's worry about the possible need to send
someone back to the Shire, to Aragorn's mentions of how much the rangers
have protected the area from dangers, to Sam's vision in the pool of Galadriel,
and the subsequent gift he receives from her as a possible amendment to that,
to the discovery of Longbottom Leaf among Saruman's supplies...

If you are to make it an unrelated episode, which can be seen as an
autonomous story on its own, then why make it at all? Why even use
the same characters?

Post by Del March
Frankly, I find the whole episode as expendible as Tom Bombadil,
and I think it was a wise choice pacing-wise to ditch it from the movie.

Pfft. I think that Peter Jackson can't talk of pacing anymore, given how
he reduced entire theaters to mocking laughter with his repeated
fade-out/fade-in technique.

Post by Del March
But if money were no
object, it would be possible to create the whole wad as a TV movie, and not
contradict anything in the film.

Pfft.

Post by Del March
It would be far more viable than trying to
make another theatrical film.

Another set of *three* theatrical films will be required to possibly do
Lord of the Rings justice, with or without (again) the Scouring.

If you want to see the Scouring so much, then I urge you wait for
the next adaptation of the *whole* story.

Aris Katsaris

[me]

Post by Aris Katsaris
Pfft. I think that Peter Jackson can't talk of pacing anymore, given how
he reduced entire theaters to mocking laughter with his repeated
fade-out/fade-in technique.

Really? Not trying to start anything, but references, please?

[Aris Katsaris]

Post by me

Post by Aris Katsaris
Pfft. I think that Peter Jackson can't talk of pacing anymore, given how
he reduced entire theaters to mocking laughter with his repeated
fade-out/fade-in technique.

Really? Not trying to start anything, but references, please?

References? Umm, does "I was there and I saw them laugh" count as a
reference?

And, in these newsgroups, at least one other person has said that people
laughed at his viewing when the last scene faded in also, so this wasn't a
uniquely observed-by-me phenomenon ...

Aris Katsaris

[Jette Goldie]

Post by Aris Katsaris

Post by me

Post by Aris Katsaris
Pfft. I think that Peter Jackson can't talk of pacing anymore, given how
he reduced entire theaters to mocking laughter with his repeated
fade-out/fade-in technique.

Really? Not trying to start anything, but references, please?

References? Umm, does "I was there and I saw them laugh" count as a
reference?
And, in these newsgroups, at least one other person has said that people
laughed at his viewing when the last scene faded in also, so this wasn't a
uniquely observed-by-me phenomenon ...

I've been to see the movie three times - nobody laughed at
the fade outs/fade ins. However once a woman got up and
put her coat on at the "Frodo in the House of Healing" scene,
obviously thinking that this was the end, and quite a few folks
laughed *at her*.

Gandalf's admonition to Pippin "not to say anything at all"
got a giggle. Frodo and Sam in Orc gear got a laugh.

[me]

Post by Aris Katsaris

Post by me

Post by Aris Katsaris
Pfft. I think that Peter Jackson can't talk of pacing anymore, given how
he reduced entire theaters to mocking laughter with his repeated
fade-out/fade-in technique.

Really? Not trying to start anything, but references, please?

References? Umm, does "I was there and I saw them laugh" count as a
reference?

So? You are the be-all and end-all of observations on this movie?

***SNORT***

Post by Aris Katsaris
And, in these newsgroups, at least one other person has said that people
laughed at his viewing when the last scene faded in also, so this wasn't a
uniquely observed-by-me phenomenon ...

Oh, sorry - so you AND at least one other unknown person in this newsgroup
are the be-all, (etc etc) on this movie?

Post by Aris Katsaris
he reduced entire theaters to mocking laughter

leads one to beleive you are talking about a farily widespread phenomena.
But now we find out that you and (perhaps) one other person (maybe a FEW
more) mentioned that some people laughed at this? Tell me how this equates
to entire theaters everywhere being reduced to mocking laughter? If you had
SPECIFIED you would not be reading this response right now.

I've seen the film several times and recall no laughter because of the types
of scene transitions. Of the many friends and colleagues I know that have
seen the film none have commented on the WAY in which in scene transisitons
are used (though of course there has been much comment - good and bad - on
the contents of scenes), none the reviews I've read, seen on TV or heard on
radio have mentioned this as a problem.

***THAT'S*** WHY I ASKED FOR REFERENCES!

I REALLY was NOT tryng to start anything - it genuinely surprised me, and I
wanted to know which scene transitions you are referrring to, as there are
only so many ways to transition from one scene to another (wipe, cut, fade -
and variations of those 3), so knowing which scenes you were refering to
would have been helpful.

Also, knowing where you may have read or heard that 'entire theaters'
laughed at the scene transistions would have been helpful as it might have
provided some insight to the authors point of view of whatever article or
review to which you might have been refering. But you didn't read it
anywhere, your sweeping statement was derived only from apparently
prejudiced and inaccurate recollections, or rather, confabulated. Try to
have a little more control over your memories.

"Fade-out/fade-in" is a type of scene transition. That is what everyone you
reads this post will assume you are talking about. If (dear god help us) you
meant something other than a type of scene transition by "fade-out/fade-in",
then I suggest you make your meaning clear instead of bellyaching about
things you can't bother to communicate!!

[Ikema]

I was personnally hoping for "Lurtz's Hope"
as a daytime fantsy soap.

Post by Del March
After re-reading this chapter, I think the material is best suited to be a TV
movie. Remember how Lucas made a couple of bad Ewok movies for TV, and how
they fit into continuity? The same could be done for the scouring.
Frankly, I find the whole episode as expendible as Tom Bombadil, and I think it
was a wise choice pacing-wise to ditch it from the movie. But if money were no
object, it would be possible to create the whole wad as a TV movie, and not
contradict anything in the film. It would be far more viable than trying to
make another theatrical film.

[Azeus]

Post by Ikema
I was personnally hoping for "Lurtz's Hope"
as a daytime fantsy soap.

What about "As the Ballrog flaps its wings"

[Guglielmo Portas]

Post by Del March
After re-reading this chapter, I think the material is best suited to be a TV
movie. Remember how Lucas made a couple of bad Ewok movies for TV, and how
they fit into continuity? The same could be done for the scouring.

Hey, it's been done already-
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0213065/